Either get in the debate and actually read my posts, or leave please. It just looks like he powers up, then it scene changes, and they blow up. Again, just pushing aside a whole entire armada of warriors is still more impressive than any of King Vegeta's feats, since those soldiers were actually trying to PREVENT Bardock from reaching Frieza, but we're unable to.So the soldiers that tried to stop King Vegeta weren't trying? King Vegeta has a power level of 10000+/12000-. King Vegeta rules a planet - sure he might be training but Bardock was one of the ones who were going out and actually killing populations. He jobs Bardock takes the mask and goes ssj3 to fight king vegeta Paragus stabs King Vegeta w/ same knife used to stab Broly King Vegeta doesnt care though, vaporizes Paragus ,and continues to fight Bardock (he's enjoying the fight) Bardock doesn't have better feats unless you can prove King Vegeta couldn't have handled those elites. Man, he is not training very hard. That's easily addressed. (He also never does it alone). End of Z is a prime example of this. Of Bardock is canon, then Bardock would be stronger as he went super Saiyan in it and also on planet plant he was very injured and probably go Zenkai, Bardock, because in the Bardock movie it said Bardock was stronger than King Vegeta. His scouter detects a battle between 5 people on the surface. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Already debunked that, and there is nothing to stop me from saying that King Vegeta couldnt do the same. Reputation advantage: King Vegeta (that helps)Buu had the reputation. Bardock after Training in cave: 45,000 (some time had passed) Bardock's mad believing Chilled is Frieza: 100,000 (punches him) Bardock reeling on the Ground after Chilled crushed him: 14,500. While you shouldn't base who wins based on who has a higher power level; it gives you a great idea of who is in whom's ball park. Bardock is stronger only with his elite if goku and bardock and his elite no one will die i mean frieza killed king vegeta with on punch to the jaw frieza used a death ball to sort of kill bardock but destroyed planet vegeta, Bardock is way stronger because he didnt die when frieza used a death ball on him and planet vegeta king vegeta died when frieza punched him in the jaw in my opinion king vegeta should be a low class saiyan warrior and bardock should have been a saiyan elite warrior so what if their power levels are different from each other bardock is way stronger, Bardock all the way. MASTERED. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Others 4 Discussions Bardock is a low-class Saiyan warrior, the mate of Gine, and the father of Raditz and Kakarot. 3. I disagree with this strongly. vegeta was actually at the power level of around 18,000 when he was on earth facing goku, he was up and around 24-34,000 on namek meaning that his power level would have been significantly lower when he was younger, as he was constantly on the battle field since then, i would put king vegeta at like 11-12,000. thats not much higher than bardock being at 10,000, ignoring the near death smack down he got from dadoria, if he had healed from that, bardock … Again, not a great feat of strength. Cui used a sneak attack in hopes of killing Vegeta when he realized he was outclassed and got NOWHERE. Without the use of sensu beans, anybody else to provide energy, etc., no zenkai would occur here. ~GAPIntoTheGame. 98.225.251.65 23:23, January 18, 2013 (UTC). He saying no proof =/= no argument. King Vegeta was almost overwhelmed by like 10 basic henchmen where as Bardock took down Dadoria's team and hundreds of henchmen while injured. I dislike your tone2. With Bardock constantly going on missions, his zenkais would propel him into a very high power level compared to King Vegeta who would continue to louse around unless war broke or something. Quite pathetic. Power Levels for Dragon Ball Z Bardock - The Father of Goku, Brolys Past and Episode of Bardock.\r\rI do not own anything. Nobody is claiming that he wins because he is the king. I'm not sure what the official numbers are, but I believe King Vegeta was slightly higher. Most definitely wasn't martial arts. Only thing we know is that henchmen with those beam guns are generally weaker than those that are not. 2). annoying trolling and ignorant. @darkbiscuit: I know lol, was just seeing if he could prove it. Hey now...that is full proof logic!....I couldn't type that with a straight face, sorry. Sorry if I seem smug, but they seem to be making redundant comments (as if they've been stated before; I disproved it; somebody else says it). You had 4 points here and all of them either contained unknown ends (the disproved thing: you didn't state what was "disproved"), was previously explained by me (the leagues thing/the comic book logic), was completely wrong (the repeating thing/the turning a blind eye), or goes against what was said by the actual source (the surpassing). and all we know is bardock is almost at ten thousand. Goku mastered numerous forms of martial arts. "was considered canon by akira toriyama,". However, Vegeta refers to him as just common soldier. Cui used a sneak attack in hopes of killing Vegeta when he realized he was outclassed and got NOWHERE. On Frieza’s ship Vegeta easily killed some of Frieza’s soldiers with his elites to kill him and take over the universe. This is a list of known and official Power Levels (戦闘力, Sentōryoku, lit.Combat Power) in the Dragon Ball universe.All of the levels on this list are taken from the manga, anime, movies, movie pamphlets, Daizenshuu guides, video games and stated mathematical calculations. 5). It was stated by some doctor that Bardock is catching up to King Vegeta quickly. - What is King Vegeta's 'stated potential advantage' referring to? Dragon Ball Minus Edit. Also, I can't see any blasts from him being sent to the planet. He was also the commanding hero of theSaiyan Army, and led his people to victory in theSaiyan-Tuffle war, in which the planet was renamed in his honor. If it were King Vegeta vs. Bardock (enraged on his way to Frieza’s ship) I would say that Bardock would win. NOT MARTIAL ARTS.Since then, Vegeta has not learned any new martial arts. Bardock wiped out meaningless planets, the only one worth note was Kanassa, which he didnt do alone, and he did in Great Ape form. He is roughly the same age, was he NOT there? I believe that King Vegeta's power level is, in fact, higher than Bardock's was at the time. That is ALL. Lmao, Bardock didnt almost beat anyone. @limilicious: His stated reputation is just an extension of Bardock's, as in DB/DBZ/DBGT if you're stronger then you can do anything that somebody below you can do, simply better (bar special attacks). Vegeta wins on real grounds, however op said strongest versions which would be ssj1 Bardock...sooooooo. 1). King Bardgeta (The D would be silent) Assuming this is Potara, I came up with a logical Fusion Increase which is Person A + Person B x Strongest Form. bardock the father of goku was a special, not a movie and was considered canon by akira toriyama, so much so that he put bardock in the updated manga. When he goes super saiyan it's no competition obviously. This is a list of known and official Power Levels (戦闘力, Sentōryoku, lit.Combat Power) in the Dragon Ball universe.All of the levels on this list are taken from the manga, anime, movies, movie pamphlets, Daizenshuu guides, video games and stated mathematical calculations. He reminds me of Gohan so much, and this trait may have been how Gohan gained the ability to gain boosts in power based on emotions. And you're "debunking" was wrong. Zorn: 6,000. But at the same time, training puts the person at a much higher spot than someone without. Bardock had a power level of 10,000 if I recall correctly, so Vegeta (even in the Saiyan saga) would win rather easily. Goku does have elite training; he was first trained by Master Roshi, one of the greatest human martial artists in the world. A devoted and loyal warrior despite his low-class, after learning of Frieza's plans to destroy the Saiyans, he seeks to attempt to stop him at any cost and save his newly born infant son and the rest of his race. Bardock was pumping all of his power into the blast, tearing up the muscles in his arm. Of course, this is pretty much just speculation. It stated King Vegeta's Power level was 10,000 while Bardocks was almost there, But In the Filler Bardock Did Go SSJ and kill Chiller. Surprise means little if you want to go there against the Elites. King Vegeta closely resembles his eldest son, Vegeta, though he is bearded, has brown hair, and is taller than his son.Being a part of Frieza's army, King Vegeta wears the typical Battle Armor with minor customizations, such as the red Vegeta Royal Family Crest on the left side of his armor. While injured. ERMQQZA". Training does not provide much combat experience that allows the person to build instincts, reflexes, and faster reaction time. You coming in here yelling and condescendingly is quite hypocritical of you if you're calling me "smug". There is no way that Bardock can win unless it is an unfair playing field (i.e. Power level advantage: King Vegeta - Agreed. I just told you why he was - barely- able to do so. 98.225.251.65 23:23, January 18, 2013 (UTC). He appears in Dragon Ball Z: Shin Budokai - Another Road. @liquidnazo: . You're using comic logic in DB. Vegeta's lack of versatility in what he practices is the cause, however his dedication and the intensity with which he practices made up for it. A list of power levels from Weekly Jump #31, 1989. As to answer your point about him needing to be as strong as them: you're right and wrong. You're getting flagged I promise my tolerance level has had it up to here. He got no power boost from fighting on Planet Meat, so his power level at death (if he wasn't enraged) and in this fight would still be just below 10,000. POSSIBLY. IIRC, Nappa had a power of like 7,000 whereas Bardock was rumored to be getting his power level near the area of King Vegeata's, who was like 10,000. Again with the feats thing. King Vegeta casually defeated 10 soldiers in a relatively calm state. Most of the good ones actually spend a lot more time training than getting into fights, in or out of the ring. They are probably close enough to have a rough time with each other, but I believe Vegeta would take the majority. Power level's are pretty much pointless in the DBZ Universe in any content made past the Namek Saga. It doesn't matter how many zenkais or battles Bardock fought, it doesn't automatically make him equal to king Vegeta, it just means he's catching up quickly. Bardock isn't that renown but he's rapidly getting stronger and even catching Frieza's attention. Did. Two of which he cheap shotted and one who was simply weak. Stop spreading misinformation. The docters commenting on his progress said "If he keeps this up he'ss surpass King Vegeta." DB allows for A>B>C. evil guy comes, wants 2 destroy planet n every1 on it, goku n them fight for like 50 episodes, n then they kill the villain. King Vegeta: 11,000. Vegeta seemed to have essentially been raised as a mercenary in Freeza's service. Everything that I've said has come from me alone. he has bloodlust but King Vegeta doesn't). At the time Planet Vegeta and the Saiyan Army still existed, Bardock was in the upper ranks as far as low-class warriors go, but his power was not enough for him to become a mid-class warrior. Where does this logic come from? Yes, experience is very important too, but there's a reason people are trained before they go into a fight, rather than just tossing them into the ring and letting them figure it out themselves. A zenkai is when a saiyan hits a point of near death (or severe injury) and recover from it. The race that EVERYONE went great ape to defeat brutally? Bardock didn't lead any saiyans. He only has better feats because he has more screen time. When Future Dende cries for help, Porunga takes this for a wish and makes Future Bardock appear. 5 years old means nothing. Of course he is! Bardock's blast hit Vegeta's and the two beams of energy began to struggle against one another. King Vegeta has a higher power level. “If he keeps this up he’s going to be even stronger than King Vegeta!” a quote from one of the doctors treating Bardock after the attack on Kanassa. First off you have it all right there. I'm guessing his power might have gotten up to maybe even 20,000 while fighting his way up to Frieza. I don't really view that as a "fact" at all. Do you remember Cui vs Vegeta? Also explain to me why Bardock supposed attacked from Zarbon who's twice his power level and was 'left' for dead to not be enough to be considered near death experience. Low class means nothing to Goku nor Bardock. You must be his offspring." I don't believe a low class like Bardock can. Don't really need to anyway. By stats they're obviously playing in the same league, and by stats King Vegeta is slightly above Bardock. Bardock would probably do no better, but his death was more amazing. @freefa11beat me to it. With Bardock constantly going on missions, his zenkais would propel him into a very high power level compared to King Vegeta who would continue to louse around unless war broke or something. Both fathers of a mainstream anime.EOS Minato vs Current BardockRulesBoth are bloodlustedNo prep timeBardock starts in SSJ and Minato starts in Kurama Now on to your skill advantage what in your right mind says Vegeta has the edge? try and watch the REAL version of dbz then say all that bullshit. And I'm not just talking about when Frieza owned him, but also Bills. Vegeta always trained harder than Goku and I'm not talking about experience either. None You are just spectulating completely. I wish they met, I dont really think that bardocks power level would have reached 20,000 when he fought frieza. @darkbiscuit: @wolfrazer: The quality is bad. Bardock & King Vegeta (Potara Fusion) Runs Gauntlet, Frieza and his army VS King Vegeta's army (all in Great Ape form), Bardock's PL and the King's PL Canon wise. And where was Bardock during that time? While both in SSJ2 forms, Vegeta and Goku were equals (Vegeta had a minor edge). It is hard to tell, but in an actual fight I would think that Bardock would win. Bardock. Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) VS 40 Namekians (30 with Power Levels of 3,000; and 10 with 2,000) - Jul 4, 18 SSjin Vegeta(Cell Games) vs. Piccolo(Cell Games) - [EQUAL POWER LEVELS] - … Context? It is a common misconception that King Vegeta’s official battle power is ten-thousand. we know NOTHING about king vegetas power except the fact that hes king and therefore must be strongest of his race. vegeta surpassed his father but we have no idea when. They're close in power with King Vegeta in the lead. Swoosh!!! They say that that's coming close to King Vegeta's power. Where is it even from? Please refrain from doing so again the future. And we all know how much prestige matters in DBZ *cough* Vegeta and Goku *cough*. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Who_was_stronger;_Bardock_or_King_Vegeta%3F?oldid=1334989. Stated potential advantage: King Vegeta (This does not include what they can become, in which case Bardock would win. Goku has long been the better fighter due to his trainings with SEVERAL MASTERS in their respective arts. It's not like we can be 100% sure anyways of who is stronger anyways, Frieza defeated them both Easily. It is likely that Bardock was the most powerful lower-class Saiyan soldier of his time. Bardock beat "tons of super powered alien bad guys"....freiza's regular army average 2000 pl... unimpressive especially vs an enraged warrior of Bardock's caliber. Power levels alongside filler is irrelevant, since we have stated power levels from the filler. So if Bardock and King Vegeta fought under normal circumstance I would say that King Vegeta would win. King Vegeta was killed by Frieza so at the time I think that Bardock was the strongest Sayian at the time. He had to hold Vegeta back. @darkbiscuit: The majority here say Bardock so if you believe otherwise YOU are the odd man out. King Vegeta fought a 10 year war vs. the Tuffles, who vastly out teched, and outnumbered him; a far more impressive feat than taking out planets of weaklings (bar the VERY most recent of planets - and even only a few of those were worth note). That is a pretty interesting question. 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